Anyone else think the 'Piss Clear' alternative newspaper was negative, cynical, and almost spiteful? For me, while occasionally funny, mostly it was as discouraging to read as any of the crap Fox News spews out. I'm gonna have a chat with the editor and find out why he goes to Burning Man if he so totally hates it's citizens and management so much.
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Mon, September 6, 2004 - 10:26 PMOh Arian's - a sweetheart and loves burningman deeply.
I've been going for six years... cynicism is unavoidable-- though I do still muster deep love for all of it.
I think perhaps it's best just to belive that there are different takes on the world and leave it at that. Many a great writers and jounalists viewed the world with a jaundiced eye.
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Mon, September 6, 2004 - 11:29 PMPiss Clear is MY Fav paper on the playa.... I Love the "tell it like it is" style.... and THOSE things NEED to be said.... it's not always all goodness and light on the playa.... ya have Piss clear for the hard hitting truths.... and tongue in cheek with a side of in your face truth is a great offset to the Gazettes to the point "news flashes" and the Spocks satire.....
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Wed, September 22, 2004 - 8:35 AMI appreciate 'tell it like it is' style as well.....but the problem is that there is no true "IS" to tell it like, dig? So through their reality filters they happen to interpret Playa life a certain way that by no means is any more or less true than anyone else's perspective/experience. And hey, it's a free Playa...please print what you like. I just felt really down after reading it....but that's the trend in media these days...make you and everyone else seem terrible.
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Mon, September 6, 2004 - 10:45 PMI was thinking that too. I couldn't tell if it was serious, or tongue n'cheek ... intresting reading either way. -
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 6:30 AMI think some of the "rants" (like the one from the craigslist poster who had obviously never been) were in there for their comic value. It kinda puts the good things in perspective when you read someone else's overwhelming negative reaction to some little thing.
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 12:32 PMI was camped next to them, so I know them more as neighbors than from the paper. They were great neighbors, and I took most of the paper as partly tongue-in-cheek (and got the impression they did, too). While it could have been done better, I think it's important to get that kind of perspective out there along with the BRG's "party line" pieces.
Reading between the lines helps a lot with Piss Clear. In one issue, for example, there was a suggestion that we all scream "Darkwad!" at people who aren't wearing blinky stuff at night. Later in the issue was a complaint about people who tell you to wear blinky stuff at night. I think this says a lot about their attitude toward what they're doing. -
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 2:34 PMOoh!! Maybe you can settle a little debate at my camp. Are all the ads parody ads? I just couldn't believe they would actually have a sponsored ad, but someone I know was suspicious. I think they were making the parody ads so subtle as to make people say with indignation, "I can't BELIEVE they're running ads from Mastercard!!" Is the joke on them? -
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 4:50 PMIan, I'm with you on this one... i read it almost every day in center camp and found that it devalued my experience at BM. A lot of times I would leave center camp and look at workers, rangers and BMorg people as if they were almost bad people.
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 5:35 PMMaybe it's because I started out pretty jaded that I mostly saw the humor in these things. They also said they're likely run my camp's "Hug the DPW!" campaign idea next year...
"Hug a Death Guilder" night was a big success, BTW.
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 4:51 PMIan, I'm with you on this one... i read it almost every day in center camp and found that it devalued my experience at BM. A lot of times I would leave center camp and look at workers, rangers and BMorg people as if they were almost bad people.
Maybe I just didn't like the paper because it made me a bit jaded.
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Thu, September 9, 2004 - 5:33 PMI didn't ask, but logic dictates they were parodies. I can't imagine MasterCard and Apple bothering to advertise in a publication that circulates only about 50,000 copies a year. Oh, and the beer in the Piss Clear cooler was always Bud, which I consider acceptable financial evidence.
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Fri, September 10, 2004 - 1:12 PMI wanna know what happened between the Piss Clear trailer and the DPW forklift..... -
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Fri, September 17, 2004 - 3:44 AMI only found an issue once, read it, grabbed an extra copy, and loved every bit of it. LyingBare put it very eloquently. I can appreciate the grounding aspect of Parody. Thier parody is smart, dark, clever, hysterically funny. Since I only got a "taste" of one paper, I'm most definitely hungry to read all the issues they published this year...waiting for them to come out on thier web site!
Think about it - they wouldn't go through that incredible amount of time & work at BM if they didn't have a passion for BM and what they are doing.
I dunno, maybe it's cuz I was raised on Mad Magazine?
I wanna be the first female heckler at BM...that looks fun!
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Fri, September 17, 2004 - 9:29 AMI think you've grazed on what I feel is one of the biggest misconceptions of Burning Man. It's not all about love and peace and happieness. It's about community. One of the side effects of community will be conflilct and disagreements. It's how the Burning Man community in general handles conflict and disagreement in general is what makes it amazing.
Check out the DPW thread in the BM tribe. Many of the posts are along the lines of "why are some DPW people assholes when that goes against what the event's about?" Last time I checked and from conversations with Larry, Marrian, Michael Michael, Dusty and many others who make this happen, it's not really an event about anything. Most of what I have heard them say centers around Burning Man being an experiment in community creation with a strong element of radical self expression and radical self reliance. Hmmm, DPW saying "Fuck Your Day" seems to fit into the radical self expression pretty well.
So for Piss Clear to have an element which goes against the commonly perceived grain of the event I would definately say that's radical self expression. As would the photo I saw of the Piss Clear trailer being baracaded by a forklift. -
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Wed, September 22, 2004 - 8:32 AMI take your point....and while I certianly created a good deal of love and harmony etc for my Burning Man experience, by no means is that what "it's" about or what BRC citizens "should" fell or do. The Playa is like a blank canvas ready for anything...or, as a friend put it, it's a possibility playground.
And so for that, I can appreciate 'Piss Clear.' I suppose I was a bit sensitive to their cynical ways due to my tendency to be media literate back home....it just reeked of Fox News nastiness, and I was turned off by it.
Of course, it did make me laugh occasionally.
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Mon, April 4, 2005 - 8:03 PMhi,
i'm trying to find the piss clear. incidentally, i happened to find this tribe and this thread. if anyone has information leading to the arrest of the staff of the piss clear, there will be a full reward. no just kidding, i just want to talk to someone about a gift i have planned for 2005.
i totally laughed at the entire paper, much like i do each week outside of john henry's on eighties night, when the new issue hits the stands and the sounds from the tables suck for three minutes. i go outside then, lean against whatever car is parked in that spot out front, and giggle uncontrollably at the satire.
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Wed, July 26, 2006 - 12:59 AMThe thing I don't like about Piss Clear is that it's printed before the event. I may be wrong but lots of veteran burners pointed this out to me. I prefer Spock Mountain Research Labs, printed right on the playa.
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